Bombing Grand Jury Recalls Conspiracy Witnesses

As before, Carol Howe refused to make any comment going into or coming out of the secret session held behind locked doors at the Oklahoma County Jail. Howe, a former Tulsa debutante, was an informant for the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms when she went to Elohim City, a white supremacist enclave in northeastern Oklahoma. She says she warned her ATF handlers that white supremacist forces were talking about bombing a federal building, possibly in Oklahoma City or Tulsa.

Also called before the grand jury for a second time was a former white supremacist who says he believes the head of the White Aryan Resistance was involved in the bombing.

Johnny Lee Clary, former grand dragon of the Oklahoma Ku Klux Klan, refused to talk with reporters on November 6, but appeared disconcerted when he emerged. There was no indication of what he might have heard in the grand jury room.

At the time she wrote the book, Moore was a major in the intelligence service of the 2nd Continental Army of the Republic, Militia, which is headed by William Cooper of Eagar, Ariz. Cooper wrote the foreword to her book. She refused to talk with reporters about her four-hour appearance before the grand jury.

The grand jury heard new testimony from a member of the Oklahoma County bomb squad who says it makes him angry to hear people say there was advance knowledge of the bombing.

"It really tears me up, because I lost a couple of friends in that bombing," Sgt. Bill Grimsley said. "I'm a man of ethics. We (the bomb squad) try to do a professional job. And I'm insulted that anyone would think we would be part of a cover-up."

Some people say they saw a county bomb squad truck near the federal building before the bombing, and that they saw some officers searching the building and grounds.

Grimsley told reporters he was driving the bomb truck that day, but did not come near the federal building. He said he drove the truck from the county jail to the county courthouse about 7 a.m. April 19, 1995, to do his morning lineups and duty assignments.

Fifteen minutes later, Grimsley said, he drove the bomb truck to a fast-food restaurant and then to the county's training center in far northeast Oklahoma City. He said a routine bomb squad training exercise scheduled for that day was interrupted when the bombing occurred.

Grimsley said that if they had had prior knowledge, "we would have been there (federal building) as a squad and would have been vaporized, I'm sure."

The late Glen Wilburn, who was instrumental in circulating the petitions calling for the grand jury, had said Weathers told him that fire dispatchers were warned April 14 about the possibility of a terrorist attack. While refusing to say what transpired in a telephone conversation with Wilburn, Weathers said that what he told Wilburn had been taken out of context.